Class- I am confused about what actually happened with the girl who got burned. Did she burn herself because it talked about her holding a match so did she burn herself or did the station and the firemen burn her?
The way the government is rewriting history is kinda weird in the fact that they have so much power to do something like that. The scary part is that people are starting to believe it and accept it.
Reece- That's a curious question. It obviously isn't true nthat Ben Franklin burned books, so their society is fed information that they know to be true so that their society makes sense. But in reality, we all know that was not true and that firemen did put out fires in the past. They believe something that is untrue whether they are scared of the past or want to ignore it, it is evident that they are hiding from the past.
Reece- As jacob said i think that the government is attempting to rewrite history. Also the government is so powerful people are going to listen to what they say.
what do you think about how they live with the tv as big as the wall and reading and how does it show up in the way they live also do you think there are other clarisse what I mean by that is that other people look outside the box and think about why they burn books and all this stuff they do
Tyler- I agree people are so absorbed in themselves and technology they don't realize the war and the fact that the government is slowly getting closer to total control over everything.
Cody: I agree with what you are saying because it shows another example of how the people in the books society are so blinded and will believe anything. They don't even realize that there is a war going on and they believe that Ben Franklin burned books. The society is told what to do and they don't ask questions.
Sean- She burned herself because she doesn't want to see knowledge being destroyed. Her cause was learning and that was her way of protesting and saying how burning books isn't the right thing to do.
Cody M- He took the book because this is the turning point where Montage changes. He changes from where he likes burning houses and destroying book to where he thinks books hold something that people are trying to hide from him. He takes it so he can finally see whats hidden in these books.
Andy- I think they should also be banned from books. even when the laws are strange no one is above the Law unlike what some people in hollywood think.
Sean- It's also like how a Captain will go down with his ship. That was what they dedicated their life to so they had to end their life with it as well.
Asticka I guess they don't make that a big of a deal for recent books but maybe they don't like people looking at books that make them think or something like that or maybe it's like a test to see if they would read it or not to see if they could be a true fireman
Garrett- I agree with you about the government. The people that have books are the rule breakers and that is why their houses an books are burrend for punishment. The government wants to take control of the society and all they need is time to have success in their wishes, but because Guy Montag is questioning reality it might slow it down.
Anthony- The teachers probably get all their information from the government and only gives them what they want. The teachers really don't have any purpose because they are learning things that do not matter.
Cody M- I think that is his way of portraying how lost the society is that now finally an hour away from getting destroyed the war is finally mentioned in Montag's life. However, he barely reacts so it just shows how robotic the society can be.
i agree with matt in the inner circle. i feel this place is a lot like north korea because the government has changed the society to one where no one knows whats going on outside their communities, but the government will use propaganda to tell the people what is good for them to hear but no anything bad that could turn the people away from the government.
Maybe Firemen carry books because to show that the books that they carry are not independent but to show that the book is promoting the government maybe.
Anthony- The government teaches them that books are wrong and such. The government still has knowledge. I believe the government still reads books. It's just like how the Handicapper General had more power than everyone else. So the government can filter what the people can learn, like with the rewriting of history.
Cody M- I don't believe that people will start thinking about the war. People are to wrapped up with their lives and only seem to care about themselves.
Cody M: I think this is a very possible outcome because if the people hear what the government tells them they will believe it. However maybe they won't because it might come as too big a shock. The people might go absolutely mad because they have grown so accustomed to what they were told for all those years. The people might not be able to handle what the radio is saying.
anthony So they don't lose them or something or so they can be recognize by people that there fireman or maybe instead of getting a uniform they get plastic surgery to look the same
Cody M- I don't think people are going to start realizing there is a war because they will still be absorbed in stuff like their TV walls and they drive so fast and never pay attention to the outside world, they almost have their own little world that they don't see anything else outside of it.
i disagree cody. what they do cant really shape a person. i believe that they chose people of same characteristics to create a symbol of the firemen and who they are.
Anthony- They all look the same because in their society no one is different. They all do the exact same thing, burn books. They don't really think about anything else than being a fireman.
sean- I think when someone is caught with a book they get sent away and something bad happens to them like the government takes over of the person maybe.
Sean: They are probably executed or burned alive with their book or books. Society in this book is crazy enough to do that because they probably think that the person with the book is nothing so theres nothing wrong with killing them.
Class- I wonder why when a person is caught with books the person is not punished for it. There is no way to handle the people, so instead they just destroy the books. Why was it so effective for the girl to kill herself and the books and how did that affect the firemen afterward?
I disagree how could everyone in one society do the same thing? They all have different lives and are only involved in their own lives. Montag describes the firemen as having the same facial hair looks, same color hair, and same color skin. kind of like hitler and the Nazi.
Cody K- When the people are caught with books they actually do go to jail. It is against the law to own or be in possession of books so when your caught you are punished.
Hunter- The world would be different because people wouldnt have knowledge so no one would really rebel but if they had books people would have knowledge and could do bad things so it all depends on your definition of a better world.
Anthony- Well they aren't allowed to have knowledge and they don't have enough brain to think about doing stuff different. Clarisse made Montag notice a lot of stuff that he had never taken the time to see before. They are all caught up in their own lives, but their isn't a lot of diversity between what they choose to do.
Reece- That may be true. So my bigger question is why did it affect the firemen so much when the girl and the books went up in flames, but they didn't do it, they watched. Was that a mirror image of them so it affected how they look at their jobs and they realize how terrible it is to BURN.
cody But maybe there burning the books because there hiding something that happen in the past so they can cover it up make sure no one knows what happen and if they let them read books they would go crazy so maybe its better there burning books
I agree with Sticka, A fireman carrying a book makes them hypocritical. They don't let people have books and yet they carry books themselves. In the end, this won't help anyone.
I agree it makes the firemen hypocrytical but it seems Fahrenheit 451 shows that everything is hypocrytical. For example the wife tried to kill herself but, she said that she would never do that. Or that reading is forbidden.
If something bad did happen they would have to kill everyone who knew about and they would only have to destroy certain books, not all of them. i believe that something bigger happened.
Anthony- I don't think the government wants people to learn, so they have more power over everyone. There also isn't much to learn because of how advanced technology is. Technology can do almost evverything for them.
Reece R. I think they said Ben Frankilin was the first fireman because they want everyone to belive that books have been a nuecense in society since the beginning. They took a historical figure and turned him into a fireman so everyone will look up to him as a book burner
tyler s- I agree that the burning of books will keep the people in order. but in order from what? I think that if people start reading books they will get a feel for how things used to be and a rebellion or maybe even a revolution will start.
reece r. I think that the firemen do steal books from the houses they burn because if someone is being for killed for such a petty crime then there must be something serious about them that the government doesnt want people to unravel. If i was a fireman i would be too curious not to read them and who is stupid enough to burn a house down completely over literature? the firemem make it way too obvious for someone smart enough to catch on to a theme the gov is portraying.
Alright, lets do this.
ReplyDeleteAs said in the inner circle, why do you think that they said Benjamin Franklin was the first fireman?
ReplyDeleteClass-
ReplyDeleteI am confused about what actually happened with the girl who got burned. Did she burn herself because it talked about her holding a match so did she burn herself or did the station and the firemen burn her?
Cody-
ReplyDeleteShe burned her self because the firemen ran out as soon as she showed them the match and she lit it on the door and burned herself.
She brought out a match and the firemen ran away and she threw it into the spot where they sprayed the kerosene.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you guys think that montag took that book from her house?
ReplyDeleteThe way the government is rewriting history is kinda weird in the fact that they have so much power to do something like that. The scary part is that people are starting to believe it and accept it.
ReplyDeleteReece-
ReplyDeleteThat's a curious question. It obviously isn't true nthat Ben Franklin burned books, so their society is fed information that they know to be true so that their society makes sense. But in reality, we all know that was not true and that firemen did put out fires in the past. They believe something that is untrue whether they are scared of the past or want to ignore it, it is evident that they are hiding from the past.
Reece-
ReplyDeleteAs jacob said i think that the government is attempting to rewrite history. Also the government is so powerful people are going to listen to what they say.
Cody,
ReplyDeleteShe burned herself for her cause like kathy change. I'm not sure what her cause was but she died for it.
@ Reece
ReplyDeleteMaybe the reason that the government said Ben Franklin because as Jacob said maybe their trying rewrite history.
As Tanner in the inner circle, what do you guys thing about the firemen carring a book? Should they be banned from books because they are illegal?
ReplyDeletewhat do you think about how they live with the tv as big as the wall and reading and how does it show up in the way they live
ReplyDeletealso do you think there are other clarisse what I mean by that is that other people look outside the box and think about why they burn books and all this stuff they do
Tyler-
ReplyDeleteI agree people are so absorbed in themselves and technology they don't realize the war and the fact that the government is slowly getting closer to total control over everything.
cody- her cause was to preserve books and the knowledge inside of books. I think her cause was to keep books "alive."
ReplyDeleteCody:
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you are saying because it shows another example of how the people in the books society are so blinded and will believe anything. They don't even realize that there is a war going on and they believe that Ben Franklin burned books. The society is told what to do and they don't ask questions.
andy-
ReplyDeleteSince everyone else cant have a book even a guide book than the firemen should not have a book.
Sean-
ReplyDeleteShe burned herself because she doesn't want to see knowledge being destroyed. Her cause was learning and that was her way of protesting and saying how burning books isn't the right thing to do.
Who is Clarisse's uncle that feeds her all the information she has.
ReplyDeleteAndy-
ReplyDeleteThey should not be carrying around books. It is contradicting the entire society.
Cody M-
ReplyDeleteHe took the book because this is the turning point where Montage changes. He changes from where he likes burning houses and destroying book to where he thinks books hold something that people are trying to hide from him. He takes it so he can finally see whats hidden in these books.
asticka: As you can already tell the government has all the power and if they want the firemen to carry books then they can.
ReplyDeleteI think the firemen should not be able to carry any type of book because that just makes their job pointless if it is meant for getting rid of books.
ReplyDeleteAndy- I think they should also be banned from books. even when the laws are strange no one is above the Law unlike what some people in hollywood think.
ReplyDeleteIf they aren't allowed books what do they learn in school? And where did the teachers get their knowledge from?
ReplyDeleteSean-
ReplyDeleteIt's also like how a Captain will go down with his ship. That was what they dedicated their life to so they had to end their life with it as well.
Do you guys think that the people are now starting to think about the war since the radio said that war may be starting any hour?
ReplyDeleteAsticka
ReplyDeleteI guess they don't make that a big of a deal for recent books but maybe they don't like people looking at books that make them think or something like that or maybe it's like a test to see if they would read it or not to see if they could be a true fireman
Garrett- I agree with you about the government. The people that have books are the rule breakers and that is why their houses an books are burrend for punishment. The government wants to take control of the society and all they need is time to have success in their wishes, but because Guy Montag is questioning reality it might slow it down.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that all the firemen look the same?
ReplyDeleteAnthony-
ReplyDeleteThe teachers probably get all their information from the government and only gives them what they want. The teachers really don't have any purpose because they are learning things that do not matter.
Cody M-
ReplyDeleteI think that is his way of portraying how lost the society is that now finally an hour away from getting destroyed the war is finally mentioned in Montag's life. However, he barely reacts so it just shows how robotic the society can be.
i agree with matt in the inner circle. i feel this place is a lot like north korea because the government has changed the society to one where no one knows whats going on outside their communities, but the government will use propaganda to tell the people what is good for them to hear but no anything bad that could turn the people away from the government.
ReplyDelete@ asticka
ReplyDeleteMaybe Firemen carry books because to show that the books that they carry are not independent but to show that the book is promoting the government maybe.
Anthony-
ReplyDeleteThe government teaches them that books are wrong and such. The government still has knowledge. I believe the government still reads books. It's just like how the Handicapper General had more power than everyone else. So the government can filter what the people can learn, like with the rewriting of history.
Anthony-
ReplyDeleteI think the firemen all look the same becuase of what they do makes them look that way maybe.
Cody M-
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that people will start thinking about the war. People are to wrapped up with their lives and only seem to care about themselves.
Cody M:
ReplyDeleteI think this is a very possible outcome because if the people hear what the government tells them they will believe it. However maybe they won't because it might come as too big a shock. The people might go absolutely mad because they have grown so accustomed to what they were told for all those years. The people might not be able to handle what the radio is saying.
What happens if someone in this society is caught with a book? If they are hiding it or something, what happens?
ReplyDeleteanthony
ReplyDeleteSo they don't lose them or something or so they can be recognize by people that there fireman or maybe instead of getting a uniform they get plastic surgery to look the same
Cody M-
ReplyDeleteI don't think people are going to start realizing there is a war because they will still be absorbed in stuff like their TV walls and they drive so fast and never pay attention to the outside world, they almost have their own little world that they don't see anything else outside of it.
i disagree cody. what they do cant really shape a person. i believe that they chose people of same characteristics to create a symbol of the firemen and who they are.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that some firemen have books too and are hiding them so they don't get their houses burned down?
ReplyDeleteAnthony-
ReplyDeleteThey all look the same because in their society no one is different. They all do the exact same thing, burn books. They don't really think about anything else than being a fireman.
sean-
ReplyDeleteI think when someone is caught with a book they get sent away and something bad happens to them like the government takes over of the person maybe.
Sean:
ReplyDeleteThey are probably executed or burned alive with their book or books. Society in this book is crazy enough to do that because they probably think that the person with the book is nothing so theres nothing wrong with killing them.
reece-
ReplyDeleteI think that firemen have taken books before because of curiosity and they want to know what is so bad about them.
sean, i agree the book has not said what happens to a person with a book. their house is burned with their books but what else happens?
ReplyDeleteClass-
ReplyDeleteI wonder why when a person is caught with books the person is not punished for it. There is no way to handle the people, so instead they just destroy the books. Why was it so effective for the girl to kill herself and the books and how did that affect the firemen afterward?
Sean-
ReplyDeleteWhen someone gets caught with a book i am guessing they go to a facility and then there house gets burned down.
When do you think the society in this book decided to have firemen start burning books and homes? What was the reason for all of that?
ReplyDeleteI think the synthesized society in Montag's world has left him in a world of darkness. If everyone is in the dark... thee light doesn't exist.
ReplyDeleteDo you think the world would be better without books or with books in Fahrenhwit 451
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ReplyDeleteI disagree how could everyone in one society do the same thing? They all have different lives and are only involved in their own lives. Montag describes the firemen as having the same facial hair looks, same color hair, and same color skin. kind of like hitler and the Nazi.
Cody K-
ReplyDeleteWhen the people are caught with books they actually do go to jail. It is against the law to own or be in possession of books so when your caught you are punished.
Domonic, I feel that the books firemen carry makes them hypocrytical, and that doesn't help the society.
ReplyDelete-Connor St.,
ReplyDeleteDidn't it say that the houses are made of fireproof material? how can a house be burned down?
Hunter-
ReplyDeleteThe world would be different because people wouldnt have knowledge so no one would really rebel but if they had books people would have knowledge and could do bad things so it all depends on your definition of a better world.
Even if the firemen carry books how many people in the society know that the firemen have them?
ReplyDeleteAnthony-
ReplyDeleteWell they aren't allowed to have knowledge and they don't have enough brain to think about doing stuff different. Clarisse made Montag notice a lot of stuff that he had never taken the time to see before. They are all caught up in their own lives, but their isn't a lot of diversity between what they choose to do.
Reece-
ReplyDeleteThat may be true. So my bigger question is why did it affect the firemen so much when the girl and the books went up in flames, but they didn't do it, they watched. Was that a mirror image of them so it affected how they look at their jobs and they realize how terrible it is to BURN.
Sean-
ReplyDeleteTruthfully I don't know. If montag was here you could ask him.
cody
ReplyDeleteBut maybe there burning the books because there hiding something that happen in the past so they can cover it up make sure no one knows what happen and if they let them read books they would go crazy so maybe its better there burning books
I agree with Sticka,
ReplyDeleteA fireman carrying a book makes them hypocritical. They don't let people have books and yet they carry books themselves. In the end, this won't help anyone.
@ asticka
ReplyDeleteI agree it makes the firemen hypocrytical but it seems Fahrenheit 451 shows that everything is hypocrytical. For example the wife tried to kill herself but, she said that she would never do that. Or that reading is forbidden.
i agree hunter, maybe the book burnings are for the bestt to keep society in order
ReplyDeleteHunter
ReplyDeleteIf something bad did happen they would have to kill everyone who knew about and they would only have to destroy certain books, not all of them. i believe that something bigger happened.
Anthony- I don't think the government wants people to learn, so they have more power over everyone. There also isn't much to learn because of how advanced technology is. Technology can do almost evverything for them.
ReplyDeleteReece R.
ReplyDeleteI think they said Ben Frankilin was the first fireman because they want everyone to belive that books have been a nuecense in society since the beginning. They took a historical figure and turned him into a fireman so everyone will look up to him as a book burner
tyler s-
ReplyDeleteI agree that the burning of books will keep the people in order. but in order from what? I think that if people start reading books they will get a feel for how things used to be and a rebellion or maybe even a revolution will start.
reece r.
ReplyDeleteI think that the firemen do steal books from the houses they burn because if someone is being for killed for such a petty crime then there must be something serious about them that the government doesnt want people to unravel. If i was a fireman i would be too curious not to read them and who is stupid enough to burn a house down completely over literature? the firemem make it way too obvious for someone smart enough to catch on to a theme the gov is portraying.