Wednesday, April 7, 2010

F451 Fishbowl #7: The End


This is it--the final fishbowl! Here are your final challenges:


1. Bring a quote into AT LEAST ONE of your responses today.


2. If you haven't done so yet, try to get in a hot seat.


3. Explain your thoughts thoroughly--see Carlos' comments and Lee's comment about communism from Tuesday for inspiration.


Remember our class motto: Finish strong!

61 comments:

  1. At the end when the book was talking about the bomb that was dropped on the city, what kind of bomb do you think it was? it said that the city looked as if it was turned upside down.

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  2. Do you think Montag has any second thoughts about starting this whole chain reaction starting with a book in the ceiling vent
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  3. Class,
    Did more bombs drop on different cities and not just Montags?

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  4. lee-
    I think the bomb was an atomic bomb because if it was a nuclear bomb than the dust that hit montag would have killed him from the radiation.

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  5. Well lee this society seems to like nukes so i bet it was one of those.

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  6. Why does Bradbury end the book on such a bad note? Was it his intention to show a sign of hope and rebirth in a corrupt and robotic society? I thought it was interesting how he said he knew Clarisse had been on those railroad tracks a long time ago, it was cool to see the living symbol of Clarisse and how he carries on the legacy of sanity. Also, does anyone think that Granger may be Clarisse's uncle?

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  7. Lee- I feel that the bomb must have been massive to make it look upside down, maybe a nuke or something along those lines.

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  8. Cody, Nuclear Bomb=Atomic Bomb

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  9. Reece-
    Yes there were more bombs dropped in other cities. The country is in a war against another country of course there will be more than just one city attacked.

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  10. cody m-
    aren't atomic bombs and nukes the same thing?

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  11. Cody-

    I was also thinking about Granger being clarisse's uncle. He seems very intelegent and knows a lot about the past.

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  12. Reece- Yes they did. I told you all that this was going to happen. Someone was going to start something that would lead to a cataclysm(climax) this big

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  13. Reece-
    I think if there maybe another bomb dropped on the place Montags society was fighting because i dont think that they would just get bombed and not do anything about it.

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  14. Cody- A nuclear bomb is an atomic bomb.

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  15. It is obvious that Bradbury is trying to make the reader think about our own world and how, as far-fetched as it sounds, there is a possibility this could be us. What did this book make you ponder about in our own world? Do you think this could be us?

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  16. with what Ben just said do you guys see a disturbing correlation with our own education? He said that all the kids do for school is watch movies, in f451. I have noticed that in school these days that we are watching more and more movies. in elementary school we whatched one a year now we whatch one a week. what do you guys think about this.

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  17. Granger, Page 164: "Come on now, we're going to go build a mirror factory first and put out nothing but mirrors for the next year and take a long look in them." I really like this quote because it is such a great image to picture. The city, which resembles a phoenix rising from the ashes once again after being bombed. Then by building a mirror factory people might finally be able to realize what they had done and look at themselves personally to figure out how they can change for the better.

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  18. Cody- I feel that he ended it on a bad note to show what could happen in this kind of society

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  19. Thanks for clearing that up everyone. I was just wondering because i didn't know if the country who bombed them had bombed all the cities at the same time or if Montags city was the first attack.

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  20. cody-
    I do not think this could be us because so many people would rebel and maybe there is a possibility that a small colony could start up and be like F451.

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  21. Lee
    I think that the bomb that hit the city that turned it upside down was a atomic bomb. It is well known that the A-bomb was the most powerful military item at the time and they saw how fast the Japanese gave up. Bradbury probably thought that since this technology has just been used, everyone will look to get a hold of it and use against the U.S. and that would have been our quickest downfall.

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  22. CODY- Hey so a nuclear bomb is an atomic bomb, because an atomic bomb is a nuclear weapon.

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  23. Brendan-
    That is a great quote I remember last year when I read this book in my Honors class, we talked about how the mirror factory resembles the phoenix.

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  24. Do you guys think that granger actually knew his name from the T.V. or he is related to or friends with Clarisse or Faber?

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  25. Didnt Montag have a tattoo of a phoenix on his arm do you think that that symbolizes anything and then granger talking about the city being a phoenix.

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  26. Cody- I agree with the other Cody because it could not possibly get as bad as in the book. People don't like the government controlling their lives and if they started to there would be national anarchy and an overthrowing of the government.

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  27. Who do you think was the country that the society in Fahrenheit 451 went to war with? Who were the people who bombed Montag's city?

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  28. Carlos-
    I totally agree with you, that makes perfect sense. It allowed for Bradbury to make a quick ending to the book like it did to WWII.

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  29. Connor-
    I think granger just knows some how maybe he just knows his name.

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  30. Cody M-

    I think that is exactly what Bradbury wanted people to think about. The phoenix bursts into flames just like the city and then is reborn from the ashes.

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  31. Andy, yes the book did end in a depressing way. However it does have some hope to it. The city gets destroyed and many people die but now the society is cleansed and it can start anew. The world described in this book is now changing for the better. It is sad that it took bombs and many lives lost for this to finally happen but thats just the way it worked out. Bradbury ended this how it needed to be ended. There couldn't be a "happy" ending. The society needed to change and this was the only way it could.

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  32. cody-
    Cody i think that maybe there society was like a little country that was in the u.s and i think the rest of the u.s wanted to get rid of them so thats who they went to war with. Or maybe since this book takes place in the cold war the other country was russia.

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  33. cody k-
    i honestly don't think their is anyway to know or if he even wanted us to know. the book is set in the future so the war could be for different reasons that we know today or a new country that doesnt exist yet.

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  34. Connor-
    Granger told Montag that he was watching the chase and then they watch the end of the chase with each other so he knew his name from watching the tv.

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  35. @ Cody

    The phoenix does symbolizes the city rising from its ashes. But it happens in the end. The reason is the city didn't rise from its ashes because they didn't have the truth. Now that the government is somewhat falling apart from the war and Montag still living the chance is the city will rise from its ashes and from that the city will be stronger.

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  36. Brendan- I agree, its a fresh start to get their feet back on the ground.

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  37. Cody- I think it could be any country in the world. A lot changes over time and maybe the United States made more enemies. The way the United States is pretty much dictating its people I bet more than one country is trying to change the United States.

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  38. maybe we became a communist country in the future and a more free country bombed us to end the war quickly, like we did to the japanese.

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  39. Do you think that the world will be reborn like the phoenix?

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  40. http://www.novelguide.com/fahrenheit451/themeanalysis.html

    Good website to summarize the themes and overall messages of the story.

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  41. On page 145, a quote that I found ironic says, "It was not burning. It was warming. He saw many hands held to its warmth, hands without arms, hidden in darkness. Above the hands, motionless faces that were only moved and tossed and flickered with firelight. He hadn't known fire could look this way. He had never thought in his life that it could give as well as take. Even its smell was different." Isn't it ironic that after all Montag has destroyed with fire it ends up keeping him warm and comforting him?

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  42. Andy-
    With this "fresh start" what do you think they will do differently?

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  43. Matt-

    I do think the world is going to be reborn like the phoenix. There are people that survived and they know that the society must change.

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  44. Lee, your idea is very interesting and quite possible. Maybe our society did just do a complete 180 from a free, democratic country to a communist one.

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  45. Does the city getting blown into oblivion show how Bradbury feels about this society? He could've chose to keep the society alive and corrupt but he leaves a sign of hope and rebirth of a society he would rather see.

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  46. Cody-

    I think that the city being blown up was bradbury's way of showing a society that needs changing and the way that it will definatly be changed.

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  47. Like Tyler from the inner circle said, the rebuilding and rebirth of the city is like the phoenix coming back from the ashes and being reborn.

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  48. Something interested that I noticed is that color is almost never mentioned. what do you think the lack of color means?

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  49. I think the Phoenix had to do with society having to hit rock bottom before it can rise again. Similar to a phoenix in that when it dies it rises from its own ashes.

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  50. i LIKE WHAT THE inner circle is saying about the symbolism of the phoenix. The city rising from the ashes. The rebirth of true society.

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  51. Yea cody i think it does because, with the pheonix motif going on he is trying to show even in this messed up society things can still get better.

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  52. one question that I still have is what year is this book based in. Did he do this on purpose so that we could imagine whatever we want or why did he not include the year.

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  53. One thing I wish could be answered or at least explained, would be Clarisse's life in general.

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  54. We cannot become completely controlled by technology.

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  55. Cody
    I think that Bradbury feels that the society has set of course and that it needs a rebirth and that the reason why he called that section the Phoenix because the myth was stated on page.163 “There was a silly damn bird called a phoenix back before Christ, every few hundred years he built a pyre and burnt himself up” and he wanted the city to be able to come back better than what it was before.

    My big question was, Granger said that this story will repeat itself and that they will be ready, but could they stop it?

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  56. One big take away I have from this book is that our freedoms and individuality are some of the most important things we have. If we did not have these things our society would be chaotic and corrupt with every person acting like robots and just accepting things without question.

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  57. A question I still have is what is going to happen now? Montag has run away is he going to try and make society better or will he just hide like the other people.

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  58. The thing I take away from this is never stop thinking for your self. In this government they think for you but we half to make our own decisions and based on what we believe.

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  59. I agree with Nick about wanting to know about Clarisse's life. Her life is a mystery and it is probably one of the most mysterious part of the book.

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